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The Actual Difference Between Pen & Ap++


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AP++ Statistics
170 SP, 131 HP
130 SP, 161 HP
10 w.def body
7 w.def crit
+15 attack to all weapons
+10% speed

Fumbi Statistics
152 SP, 108 HP
112 SP, 138 HP
7 w.def body
3 w.def crit
+11 damage to 1 weapon
+0% speed

PEN Statistics
152 SP, 108 HP
112 SP, 138 HP
4 w.def body
3 w.def crit
+4 attack to all weapons
+0% speed

Nothing Statistics
140 SP, 100 HP
100 SP, 130 HP
0 w.def body
0 w.def crit
+0 attack to all weapons
+0% speed

Calculations :

Nothing vs. AP++
11.5 dmg/SMGs body
11 hits on SP
14 hits on HP

28.75 dmg/SMGs crit
5 hits on SP
6 hits on HP

AP++ vs. Nothing
17.75 dmg/SMGs body
6 hits on SP
8 hits on HP

44.4 dmg/SMGs crit
3 hits on SP
3 hits on HP

Nothing vs. Fumbi
12.25 dmg/SMGs body
9 hits on SP
12 hits on HP

30.63 dmg/SMGs crit
4 crits on SP
5 hits on HP

Fumbi vs. Nothing
16.75 dmg/SMGs body
6 hits on SP
8 hits on HP

41.9 dmg/SMGs crit
3 hits on SP
3 hits on HP

Fumbi vs. AP++
14.25 dmg/SMGs body
9 hits on SP
11 hits on HP

35.63 dmg/SMGs crit
4 crits on SP
5 crits on HP

AP++ vs. Fumbi
16 dmg/SMGs body
7 hits on SP
9 hits on HP

40 dmg/SMGs crit
3 hits on SP
4 hits on HP

Nothing vs. PEN
13.25 dmg/SMGs body
9 hits on SP
11 hits on HP

33 dmg/SMGs crit
4 hits on SP
5 hits on HP

PEN vs. Nothing
15 dmg/SMGs body
7 hits on SP
9 hits on HP

37.5 dmg/SMGs crit
3 hits on SP
4 hits on HP

PEN vs. Fumbi
13.25 dmg/SMGs body
9 hits on SP
11 hits on HP

33 dmg/SMGs crit
4 hits on SP
5 hits on HP

Fumbi vs. PEN
16 dmg/SMGs body
7 hits on SP
9 hits on HP

40 dmg/SMGs crit
3 hits on SP
4 hits on HP

PEN vs. AP++
12.5 dmg/SMGs body
10 hits on SP
13 hits on HP

31.25 dmg/SMGs crit
4 hits on SP
5 hits on HP

AP++ vs. PEN
17 dmg/SMGs body
7 hits on SP
9 hits on HP

42.5 dmg/SMGs crit
3 hits on SP
4 hits on HP

Conclusions :

AP++ kills someone wearing nothing in
5 fewer hits on SP
6 fewer hits on HP
2 fewer crits on SP
3 fewer crits on HP

AP++ kills someone wearing fumbi in
2 fewer hits on SP
2 fewer hits on HP
1 fewer crit on SP
1 fewer crit on HP

AP++ kills someone wearing PEN in
3 fewer hits on SP
4 fewer hits on HP
1 fewer crit on SP
1 fewer crit on HP

Fumbi kills someone wearing PEN in
2 fewer hits on SP
2 fewer hits on HP
1 fewer crit on SP
1 fewer crits on HP

Fumbi kills someone wearing nothing in
3 fewer hits on SP
4 fewer hits on HP
1 fewer crit on SP
2 fewer crits on HP

PEN kills someone wearing nothing in
2 fewer hits on SP
2 fewer hits on HP
1 fewer crit on SP
1 fewer crit on HP

Notes :

- 95% of these hit numbers were decimals, which I chose to round up.
- AP++ has a +10% movement speed bonus over the other categories.
- AP++ has a 30 SP bonus over Nothing and 18 SP bonus over Fumbi and PEN.
- Fumbi's statistics do not take into account that only one weapon is +11 and the others are +5; the difference, I assume, is negligible.
- THESE ARE NOT 100% ACCURATE DAMAGE CALCULATIONS PER BULLET, but they should be 99% accurate in terms of shots to kill.

Walljumps :

24 SP per walljump/dodge
10 SP depleted per second

AP++ using SP = 7 pure walljumps, 17 seconds to deplete
AP++ using HP = 5 pure walljumps, 13 seconds to deplete
Fumbi / PEN using SP = 6 pure walljumps, 15 seconds to deplete
Fumbi / PEN using HP = 4 pure walljumps, 11 seconds to deplete
Nothing using SP = 5 pure walljumps, 14 seconds to deplete
Nothing using HP = 4 pure walljumps, 10 seconds to deplete

Note that "pure walljumps" refers to walljumps possible with max SP pity and also ignores the running animation which depletes it, thus it's very hard to be able to provide a real picture of how beneficial these SP bonuses are. Also note that in real situations, SP++ skill only provides the user with enough SP to make one extra jump or dodge if you factor in the SP required during the running animation.


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I like this analysis.

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oh hey wow thanks a lot for this :)

requesting this be pinned in approved guides

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Excellent guide.

at the same time, I'm appalled.

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As I've said in the "ugh." thread, I'm just waiting to see how much an advange AP++ has over my PEN stuff. Also, I would like to thank you and whoever helped you for devoting quite a bit of time to get this information for us.

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Pro analysis.

What about Average AP?

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p sure she's counting average AP as the same as fumbi (AP tops being +all atk notwithstanding) and I think that AP++ is referring to the capsule items / premium eastern girl cap, etc and not the premium weapons in the shop.

I don't know if the Space Rabbit counts as an accessory or stacks with Eastern Girl Cap though, so I'm having some trouble adding up the stat boosts for AP++.

Given :
AP++ Statistics
170 SP, 126 HP
130 SP, 156 HP
10 w.def body
7 w.def crit
+15 attack to all weapons
+7% speed

Again, not sure, but I believe these numbers come from
Premium hair/head
Pen Face
Premium Shirt
Premium Pants
Premium Glove
Premium Shoe
Premium Eastern Girl Hat (accessory)
Space Rabbit (whatever it is)
Capsule SMG
Capsule Rev

is this correct?

rofl at these shitty patches. If I have to pay/subscribe to play a game or be competitive, I'd much rather pay for one that doesn't have second rate programming/tech support/balancing issues/game management, and has both a valid business model, and motivation to deliver goods worth the price of subscription.

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Pro analysis.

What about Average AP?

"Average Ap" would like be close to the Fumbi stats.

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"Average Ap" would like be close to the Fumbi stats.


Nvm what I said. + all weap def and + all weap stats is irrelevant here since it's only SMG wise stats.

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Wow... so clever! ilm Fake!
And thanks for this! <3

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Clearly the best guide to date!

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Niceeee guide Fake =o

wish they put the AP back to the old status,

where it only boosts 1 weapon to +11,

and when you bought the AP clothing it included PEN

like for example if you bought a top and bottom

Top = 1.4k PEN when you purchase

&

Bottom = 1.2k PEN when you purchase.

good times =x

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Niceeee guide Fake =o

wish they put the AP back to the old status,

where it only boosts 1 weapon to +11,

and when you bought the AP clothing it included PEN

like for example if you bought a top and bottom

Top = 1.4k PEN when you purchase

&

Bottom = 1.2k PEN when you purchase.

good times =x


times where i got a shitload of PEN for buying AP :(

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times where i got a shitload of PEN for buying AP :(

Times when AP buying didn't rule S4.

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hey i finally updated this

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hey i finally updated this

GJ !!!

ilm allie.

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pro Fake, PRO fake!

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Thanks for doin the research for us!

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Great job. Now I only need semi rifle stats :unsure:  

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This guide should really be shown more to the community =x

to many people still complain about AP

this guide will knock some sence into them ^^



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